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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.elifbatuman.net/2010/02/17/contra-and-how-we-read-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1297</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoops..I didn&#039;t realize this was a guest-blogger.  Sorry for referring to Elif&#039;s book and for calling you, excellent-guest blogger, &quot;Elif.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoops..I didn&#8217;t realize this was a guest-blogger.  Sorry for referring to Elif&#8217;s book and for calling you, excellent-guest blogger, &#8220;Elif.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.elifbatuman.net/2010/02/17/contra-and-how-we-read-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1296</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Elif.  Ezra Koenig plays class the way Andy Warhol played post-war consumerism. Nesting in the middle, he can seize the most poetic elements of both.  &quot;Dowdy in sweatshirts/Absolute Horror&quot;  Of course, the over-eager critic will obsess over  &quot;Whose side is he on?&quot;  and then compose a joyless boring blog.  Meanwhile, the rest of us just listen to really good pop music.  

Another piece of writing I really liked, the Possessed. In the introduction you endear to the great  Russian novels, in part, because they are sturdy enough to hold up to critical analyses while also seeming familiar and true.  

We are wrong to listen to pop as we might read Russian Lit.  Pop should be discombobulating, vertiginous, and irrational. Pop should be Dionysian. If Apollo ever decides to actually listen to music, we&#039;ll send him Grizzly Bear and keep VW to ourselves.

Given the cacophonous pop that usually charts, it&#039;s easy to forget that lyrics--not just laser synth, backbeat, etc-- can themselves contain the Dionysian music.  That lyrics ought to be musical, this idea dates back a long time, but it was the former Ezra--that poet turned fascist-- who made it a dictum. Preoccupied as he was with the force of the musical phrase, Mr. Pound never considered how forceful musical lyrics could be when set to...music!  He needs Mr. Koenig bring his ideas--of the musical, of the lingual-visual, of image collision--into their rightful.  Music in lyrics, lyrics in Music!

Recalling an article written about Mr. Pound, it&#039;s quite amusing to think that the author, one T.S.Elliot, were he alive, could be equally defending the lyrics and metric of either Ezra.

&quot;At first the whole thing may seem to be mere madness and
rhetoric, a vain exhibition of force and passion without
beauty. But, as we read on, these curious metres of his seem
to have a law and order of their own...&quot;
[...]
&quot;but no word is ever chosen merely for the tinkle; each has always its part in producing an impression which is produced always through language.&quot;
[...]

&quot;Art is a departure from fixed positions; felicitous departure from a norm.&quot;
  

For my part, I&#039;m glad we have Ezra K.  So cute, and not soon a fascist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Elif.  Ezra Koenig plays class the way Andy Warhol played post-war consumerism. Nesting in the middle, he can seize the most poetic elements of both.  &#8220;Dowdy in sweatshirts/Absolute Horror&#8221;  Of course, the over-eager critic will obsess over  &#8220;Whose side is he on?&#8221;  and then compose a joyless boring blog.  Meanwhile, the rest of us just listen to really good pop music.  </p>
<p>Another piece of writing I really liked, the Possessed. In the introduction you endear to the great  Russian novels, in part, because they are sturdy enough to hold up to critical analyses while also seeming familiar and true.  </p>
<p>We are wrong to listen to pop as we might read Russian Lit.  Pop should be discombobulating, vertiginous, and irrational. Pop should be Dionysian. If Apollo ever decides to actually listen to music, we&#8217;ll send him Grizzly Bear and keep VW to ourselves.</p>
<p>Given the cacophonous pop that usually charts, it&#8217;s easy to forget that lyrics&#8211;not just laser synth, backbeat, etc&#8211; can themselves contain the Dionysian music.  That lyrics ought to be musical, this idea dates back a long time, but it was the former Ezra&#8211;that poet turned fascist&#8211; who made it a dictum. Preoccupied as he was with the force of the musical phrase, Mr. Pound never considered how forceful musical lyrics could be when set to&#8230;music!  He needs Mr. Koenig bring his ideas&#8211;of the musical, of the lingual-visual, of image collision&#8211;into their rightful.  Music in lyrics, lyrics in Music!</p>
<p>Recalling an article written about Mr. Pound, it&#8217;s quite amusing to think that the author, one T.S.Elliot, were he alive, could be equally defending the lyrics and metric of either Ezra.</p>
<p>&#8220;At first the whole thing may seem to be mere madness and<br />
rhetoric, a vain exhibition of force and passion without<br />
beauty. But, as we read on, these curious metres of his seem<br />
to have a law and order of their own&#8230;&#8221;<br />
[...]<br />
&#8220;but no word is ever chosen merely for the tinkle; each has always its part in producing an impression which is produced always through language.&#8221;<br />
[...]</p>
<p>&#8220;Art is a departure from fixed positions; felicitous departure from a norm.&#8221;</p>
<p>For my part, I&#8217;m glad we have Ezra K.  So cute, and not soon a fascist.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto, Danny. Darn.</description>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 03:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dag. Now I actually have to go out &amp;download the album. Tnx a lot for ruining my happy disinterest.. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dag. Now I actually have to go out &amp;download the album. Tnx a lot for ruining my happy disinterest.. .</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you&#039;re curious, all this is completely comprehensible to someone who&#039;s been living in a cave for the last five years; I&#039;ll have to tell you if it gets less convincing after I listen to a few albums. The pattern you describe is certainly familiar enough: wordsmiths with a cross-class cross-cultural &quot;sophisticated&quot; toolkit often -- I&#039;m tempted to say &quot;universally&quot; -- reach for it to express conflicted nostalgia toward some lost naivety. (I&#039;d count diplomat&#039;s son Joe Strummer as another example, by the way, although he went as primitivist as he could.)

For me, the primal honest-pretension vs. faux-simplicity battle in pop lyric is Lorenz Hart vs. Oscar Hammerstein III -- Richard Rodgers&#039;s defection seems as poignant as the death of that pretentious Cockney Keats, way more poignant than John leaving Paul for Yoko. But like most pop culture battles, it was straightforwardly inherited from folk culture battles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you&#8217;re curious, all this is completely comprehensible to someone who&#8217;s been living in a cave for the last five years; I&#8217;ll have to tell you if it gets less convincing after I listen to a few albums. The pattern you describe is certainly familiar enough: wordsmiths with a cross-class cross-cultural &#8220;sophisticated&#8221; toolkit often &#8212; I&#8217;m tempted to say &#8220;universally&#8221; &#8212; reach for it to express conflicted nostalgia toward some lost naivety. (I&#8217;d count diplomat&#8217;s son Joe Strummer as another example, by the way, although he went as primitivist as he could.)</p>
<p>For me, the primal honest-pretension vs. faux-simplicity battle in pop lyric is Lorenz Hart vs. Oscar Hammerstein III &#8212; Richard Rodgers&#8217;s defection seems as poignant as the death of that pretentious Cockney Keats, way more poignant than John leaving Paul for Yoko. But like most pop culture battles, it was straightforwardly inherited from folk culture battles.</p>
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